Online program managers (OPMs) have been a hot topic for higher education in relation to the future of online learning and programming in recent years. The consideration of partnering with an OPM is a complex dialogue as MN lawmakers push for regulation. Hear about the lived experiences, and studied practices and impacts, of working with OPMs from a fellow UMN academic technologist who completed her dissertation on the value of OPMs and formerly worked as an institutional program manager who launched a new online program with an OPM at another R1 institution.